(Adnkronos) – Five minutes and thirty-seven seconds of conversation. The phone call of 24 July 2021 with Pope Francis that Cardinal Angelo Becciu allegedly recorded without the pontiff’s knowledge was so long. The complete transcript of the recording of the phone call – which took place only ten days after Bergoglio’s resignation from the hospital where he had undergone a complex operation – is contained in a report from the Guardia di Finanza of Oristano, which Adnkronos was able to view.
The recording – a file generated at 14.25.555 on 24/07/2021 by a geolocated device in Piazza del Sant’Uffizio – was traced by the Gdf, as part of an investigation by the Sassari prosecutor’s office into Caritas of Ozieri, on two phones and a tablet belonging to one of the suspects, Maria Luisa Zambrano, a friend of the Becciu family. The voice of Zambrano, who, according to what we read, played “an active role in carrying out the recording operations”, can also be heard on the track, a few minutes before the start of the conversation between the Pope, clearly suffering from the hangover of the intervention, and Becciu, which probably took place between two landline telephones. At one point in the recording a male voice is heard in the background, which seems to say “Let me hear it”. It is not clear which of the two interlocutors the fourth participant is close to.
Here is the full transcript of the recording.
Cardinal Becciu: Oh, are you ready?
(minute 00.05) a noise is heard which probably corresponds to the activation of the telephone apparatus of the caller.
Cardinal Becciu: Yes, ready, Holy Father.
Dad: How are you?
Cardinal Becciu: Ehh so-so, how are you? Is he recovering?
Pope: Ehh I’ve just recovered eh.
Cardinal Becciu: Eh I imagine, the road will be long, a little bit, of the recovery eh.
Pope: Yes yes.
(minute 00:26) a male voice is heard in the background, which seems to say “Let me hear it”. It is not clear which of the two interlocutors the fourth participant is close to.
Cardinal Becciu: Yes, listen Holy Father, I’m calling you like ehh with great suffering … ehhh, that is, for me I almost shouldn’t go to trial anymore because I’m sorry but the letter you sent me is a conviction … it’s a conviction ehh because … I just wanted to ask you if some data, i.e. the thing is this, that I can’t call you to the Court as a witness, I would never allow myself, but there must be your declaration ehh … the two points are these, i.e., you gave me or not the authorization to start operations to free the nun? Eh, I think I asked him, look, I should go to London eeeh eeeh emmm … contact this agency that would get busy, then I told her ..ehhh that the expenses that were needed were 350 thousand euros for the expenses of this agency, these they had to move and then for the ransom we set 500,000, we said no more because it seemed immoral to give more money to… aaa… which went into the pockets of the terrorists… well, it seems to me that I had informed him about all this… yes remember?
Pope: Yes I remember that ehh vaguely but I remember yes I had it yes.
Cardinal Becciu: Eh…
Pope: But to be precise….eh I wanted…. eh… ask carefully how things were… eh I wrote that right?
Cardinal Becciu: Yes, but he wrote me the accusations that is … eh the theory of the accusers of the magistrates, that is they accuse me that I cheated you, that it was not true that I had been authorized by you to do these works, and therefore you agree the accusations of these … the magistrates and how can I defend myself there if you already accuse me like this … eh … they wrote me the legal letter in which are the same sentences, same ideas that I find in the judgment that I brings to trial and therefore you agree with those accusations eh… She has always told me that she is above she does not want to interfere…
Pope: I’m above it, let’s do one thing…
Cardinal Becciu: Yes…
Pope: On this, why don’t you give me a letter because I have to consult before writing, right? He sends me a text, narrating all this and making another report, huh?
Cardinal Becciu: Yes, because I had sent them those statements, maybe they didn’t like them I don’t know; because it would be enough for me if you canceled this letter, then if you want to give me some statements, fine … that is to say “here, I authorized Monsignor Becciu when he was Substitute to carry out these operations” that would be enough for me …
Pope: Write me all this, please do me a favor because.
Cardinal Becciu: Eh….
Pope: I don’t know all these procedures.CopyAMP code
Cardinal Becciu: In fact, in fact they got carried away because it is seen that not everything juridical has been written by you.
Pope: No no this is true.
Cardinal Becciu: It’s true, everything is right, we know each other Holy Father eh…
Pope: Yes yes.
Cardinal Becciu: The father who wrote to me was missing, everything is right there, just as it is enough for you to say “do we observe it on State secrets? No, we don’t observe it” all right, we are free to speak… “Do we observe it? Yes” but this is your Holy Father’s decision, I don’t oblige you if we don’t observe state secrecy … eeeeeh we are free to say whatever we have to say, well then …
Dad: I understand.
Cardinal Becciu: Ehh so…
Pope: Yes, send me some of these explanations well and what you would like me to write.
Cardinal Becciu: All right then I’ll send them to you, eh?
Pope: And I see tomorrow I’ll see him, eh?
Cardinal Becciu: Yes yes yes and of course, however if he has it drawn up by whoever is on the opposite side… of course I… that…
Pope: No I understand I understand, no I’ll look for another advice, huh?
Cardinal Becciu: All right all right I am grateful to you I am truly grateful to you, Holy Father.
Pope: Thank you.
Cardinal Becciu: Please please please.
Pope: Thank you, pray for me huh? Thank you.
Cardinal Becciu: Yes yes mutually.
Pope: Thank you.
Cardinal Becciu: Thank you.
(by Silvia Mancinelli)